Developers will have a hard time getting App Store users to buy directly

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Even if developers discounted their prices by the whole 30% Apple would take for the first year of a subcription, a new report says it wouldn't be enough to get most users away from the App Store.

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Apple makes $11 billion from the US App Store annually



Apple being forced to comply with mandated anti-steering instructions is definitely an own goal after it had won everything else in its trial against Epic Games. But a new report claims that financially, the potential loss of App Store income for Apple is trivial.

According to an investor note seen by AppleInsider, investment firm Morgan Stanley says its conclusions start with what the US App Store means to Apple's bottom line. Its analysts say it the US version of the store brings in $11 billion, which is 3% of Apple's total revenue, around 7.% of the firm's total Earnings Per Share (EPS).

Then based on surveys it conducted on the issue in 2021, 2022, and 2023 -- though not either 2024 or 2025 -- Morgan Stanley believes few users will buy apps direct from developers. Specifically, only a fifth of iPhone users have claimed they are "extremely likely" to buy outside of the App Store, and others would need to see a price cut of 35%.

While Morgan Stanley does not comment on this, there is an issue over what discount a developer would give users. It may cost the developer 30% less than before if they don't use the App Store, but they then have to perform their own credit card processing, their own tax reporting and so on.

Consequently, it's unlikely that a developer will offer a full 30% discount, or at least not consistently. It's possible that developers might do that as a loss-leader to attract people to moving over, but they'd be gambling that they'd attract enough users to make it worth their while.

According to Morgan Stanley, that's more of an uphill struggle than even a 35% discount. Its analysts report there are specific reasons why users say they prefer to stick with the App Store.

Bar graph showing likelihood percentages from 2021 to 2023 across categories: Extremely Likely, Somewhat Likely, Neutral, Somewhat Unlikely, Extremely Unlikely, with most neutrality in 2021.
Surveys of how likely US users are to buy apps outside the App Store -- image source: : AlphaWise, Morgan Stanley Research



In order of popularity, those reasons were:


  1. Not wanting to share financial details with multiple sites

  2. Preferring not to manage multiple accounts

  3. Simply don't see a benefit

  4. App Store is faster because it already has their details

  5. They trust the security and privacy of the App Store

  6. They can use Apple Gift Cards, or get cash back on Apple Card



Developers, especially large ones, could and doubtlessly will offer incentives to try to overcome these barriers. But according to Morgan Stanley, Apple has also has options to incentivize users and developers to stay.

While not saying that Apple will necessarily do any of these, Morgan Stanley says that for instance, the company could:


  • Offer easy to get App Store credits

  • Connect those credits into the Apple One bundle

  • Make the App Store entirely subscription-based



Morgan Stanley doesn't explain or elaborate about any of these, but it's point regarding customer and developer retention is that Apple has options that are completely under its control.

But then the investment firm's overall point is that Apple might not need to do anything. While it does see developers managing to attract at least some buyers, Morgan Stanley believes they won't exceed a fifth of users.

That means it estimates the risk to Apple as being a fifth of the reported $11 billion annual income from the App Store, or approximately $2 billion. That's 1.5% of the EPS, which Morgan Stanley describes being effectively a rounding error.

It further estimates that if Apple raised the price of all of its other services by 5%, it would entirely offset the potential App Store loss.

Consequently, Morgan Stanley retains its $235 price target. It does repeat from its May 5 report, though, its best- and worst-case financial predictions for Apple's iPhone 17 range.



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  • Reply 1 of 17
    mike1mike1 Posts: 3,481member
    I'm sure they will get flack for it, but I hope there will be a way in settings to prohibit the download of anything that isn't from the app store.
    I am foreseeing the nightmare ahead when my click-happy mom starts accidentally/unwittingly downloading stuff from all the ads in her games and e-mail etc.
    This is a scammer's dream.
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  • Reply 2 of 17
    DAalsethdaalseth Posts: 3,291member
    It will depend on the developer. RandomGuySoftware located who knows where will have trouble. But when, not if but when, Microsoft, Adobe, Steam, and other big guys set up their own sites people will go there without hesitation. Soon the AppStore will only be hosting small developers. 
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  • Reply 3 of 17
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,446member
    I enjoy the App Store experience so much that at one time I tried to make all of my software purchases through the stores. 

    Dealing with Epic ....ugh.   Both my wife and I will attest to the pain of dealing with Epic Game substandard support system.  I agree 

    whole heartedly with Morgan Stanley's approach. 

    People are simply looking to simplify their lives and what some Government bean counter thinks is we want a model that resembles their clusterfck systems. 
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  • Reply 4 of 17
    neoncatneoncat Posts: 185member
    mike1 said:
    I'm sure they will get flack for it, but I hope there will be a way in settings to prohibit the download of anything that isn't from the app store.
    I am foreseeing the nightmare ahead when my click-happy mom starts accidentally/unwittingly downloading stuff from all the ads in her games and e-mail etc.
    This is a scammer's dream.
    I hope people can find the time while clutching all those pearls to realize that this is a problem almost entirely of Apple's own creation. By discarding the value of the safety of their platform to chase every possible cent of revenue, they willingly dismissed concerns like yours. There were measures Apple could have taken to protect the walled garden for all its benefits. They chose not to because those choices would've represented giving up the chance to squeeze every last dime out of the construct.

    Now, no one wins: App Store revenue will decline, and safety will be compromised. It's classic Apple—die on every hill, convinced to the end they are right, and at the end having nothing at all to show for it. Blinded by arrogance, avarice, and greed.
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  • Reply 5 of 17
    davebarnesdavebarnes Posts: 385member
    We are a technically savvy couple.
    We have zillions of online accounts.
    But, we will buy thru the app store as it is easier.
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  • Reply 6 of 17
    mccargosmccargos Posts: 19member
    I would be worried about the security of where I’m downloading from. With the App Store you know it’s been checked. There’s no guarantee of that if you download from some where else.
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  • Reply 7 of 17
    igorskyigorsky Posts: 784member
    If this is all about hair competition, as everyone always claims, why aren’t consumers getting the choice of how they want to pay? I don’t mind paying a premium to keep payments and subscription in the App Store but I don’t see that being mandated for the likes of Netflix, et al. 
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  • Reply 8 of 17
    pixeltinipixeltini Posts: 3member
    HOLD IT! Just a second. Let me pick myself up. Are you saying the App Store has value for developers??

    Next you'll be telling me software developers should pay something for the security and convenience offered by the App Store.
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  • Reply 9 of 17
    mikethemartianmikethemartian Posts: 1,635member
    I would be leery of doing business with any company that lies to a federal judge while under oath.
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  • Reply 10 of 17
    And many developers are only paying 15% commission. Considering there are very real costs to duplicate everything you get from Apple for that 15%, I can't see any small devs trying to save that by opening a web store. I still remember paying 50-60% to companies to do less services. Let's face it, this Epic lawsuit was all about how the very large companies can make even more money, it was never about helping small to medium size developers or consumers.
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  • Reply 11 of 17
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,726member
    pixeltini said:
    HOLD IT! Just a second. Let me pick myself up. Are you saying the App Store has value for developers??

    Next you'll be telling me software developers should pay something for the security and convenience offered by the App Store.

    The Apple App Store has value like being part of the EU when it comes to businesses in the UK selling to the other 27 European countries without barriers, many uninformed (developers) think otherwise (ie..Brexit) and are now going to pay for their stupidity, a good developer (small/medium sized) making a good product can avoid all the red tape all of the headaches and the extra cost by being in the App Store. 

    It allows them to compete with the so-called big boys, (which the big boys hate) the big boys want special treatment to camp inside the Apple App Store because Apple has done all of the hard work and they think they should get a freebie because they’re entitled. But most will find that it won’t be a pot of gold because many people will not leave the App Store nor will they put up with subscriptions left and right.
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  • Reply 12 of 17
    mpantonempantone Posts: 2,427member

    In order of popularity, those reasons were:


    1. Not wanting to share financial details with multiple sites
    2. Preferring not to manage multiple accounts
    3. Simply don't see a benefit
    4. App Store is faster because it already has their details
    5. They trust the security and privacy of the App Store
    6. They can use Apple Gift Cards, or get cash back on Apple Card


    Reasons #1-4 are basically why many people buy their PC videogames on Steam rather than GOG, Epic, EA, Ubisoft, or individual developer sites.

    It's also probably why people buy stuff at Amazon.com rather than surf over to some third-party storefront, create an account and reenter all that stuff again.

    Reason #5 is probably in play for most of those people. And Reason #6 has some applicability as well. There are Steam gift cards and the Amazon credit card. Plus Amazon Prime members get some additional benefits that an individual merchant really can't offer.
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  • Reply 13 of 17
    humbug1873humbug1873 Posts: 201member
    If I have to go outside of the Apple Ecosystem to make in-app payments I re-think my intention to spend money on that. Why!?

    1. Because it usually is a pain in the a... 'behind' to cancel a subscription outside of the Apple ecosystem. So I rather avoid that to begin with.
    2. So I have to give my private and payment detail to some dubious third party group and probably open yet another account, that then gets hacked within a few short days, because these guys are cheap and stupid.  No thank you.

    So in the end. Enforcing 'outside' payments is a quick way to lose/never win me as a paying customer for your stuff.
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  • Reply 14 of 17
    Whizvillewhizville Posts: 3member
    I think it’ll be clear what’s going to happen with all this side loading and third-party App Stores with time.  if it’s good people will use it.  If it isn’t, they won’t.  The thing about a market is that if nobody comes to shop there then the market will die.  People vote with their wallets.  It’s nice that people will have the option to do things differently.  I just can’t see very many users who are comfortable with the App Store experience who would consider going outside of that secure market to save a little bit of money.  I certainly won’t and I haven’t even bothered to try it yet. if I have a need to purchase software for my Apple device, I will use Apple’s platform, the App Store, to make my purchase.  The App Store is convenient, easy to use and I know that Apple spends a lot of money making sure it’s a secure place for users to shop safely. it’s the same reason why I won’t put parts for a Toyota in my BMW.  it’s why I don’t put diesel in my gasoline car.  Perhaps, I’m strange that way.
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  • Reply 15 of 17
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 3,415member
    The only two developers I’d buy directly from are:

    1. Adobe. Since I’m used to their system and haven’t had any financial snags. 

    2. Apple. 

    Everyone else, I’ll go through the App Store and they can deal with apple if they try to pull a fast one. 

    It’s been good for many years. No way I’m going back to the Wild West days of the internet. 

    Last year, I bought a few Yi Home cameras to monitor a property I own while I was in Taiwan. They worked great. Could send and receive audio along with the video in pretty high quality. It was a good setup to keep pets happy that didn’t get along with the pet-sitter. But I had to use their app in irdee to do it this way. And it was a subscription. I was actually quite happy with the service. Worked great. But then after a couple months, I can home and decided to cancel the subscription for now. Then the nightmare came. There was no cancel button. You have to email them. So I did. Then I got a response thst I had to wait for an account rep to contact me. 24 hours later, I received a response. It was a canned line about “to cancel your service, please contact our account services department… blah blah blah.” So I did so. Again. And the same roundabout thing happened. Nearly a week had gone by. Then I let them know how upset I was that I was getting the runaround and needed them to cancel “now. No more emails. No more reps. Cancel the subscription NOW. IMMEDIATELY. then a new rep contacted me with a little more progress, offering me to pause the subscription or continue st a discount, etc. when I replied to cancel, I received the same email back. The whole ordeal went in for a month while they extracted another months worth of subscription fees. So finally I let them know I was getting my bank involved. And so I did. Within three days, they cancelled my subscription. 

    Never again. Apple has done an amazing job of taking the internet and turning a seedy underworld into a respectable place where woman and children can enjoy relative safety and peace. 

    And then we get these weirdo politicians and their kickback buddies turning a gleaming city into the ghetto all over again. I’ll stick with the gleaming city thank you very much. 
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  • Reply 16 of 17
    dewmedewme Posts: 6,011member
    Apple brought this on themselves by being considerate, sharing, and trying to raise the tide so the multitude of smaller independent software vendors (ISVs) and hobby/side-hustle software developers could have an easier way to get their software offerings in front of customers. Would this also help sell more iPhones? Hell yeah, if it worked, but there was no guarantee that it would work. The apps bundled with pre-iPhone cellphones tended to be somewhere between pathetically lame and barely tolerable, maybe useful if you patiently standing in a long queue and needed something to get your mind off how slowly the line was moving, but otherwise very forgettable.

     The cost-versus-benefit of the App Store model was totally insane - in favor of the developers.  Apple skimming a very small percentage (by comparison to traditional software publishers, computer stores, and device provider fees) was far better than trying to do it all yourself. For a small ISV or hobbyist the overhead of getting their first app posted for download where anyone who happened to find it in the vast uncharted wilderness of the interweb and servicing it could easily outweigh the sales revenue from selling the app. Keeping everything updated and supported with patches, revisions, new version releases, and with active feedback was a major time suck. With no common guidelines for peripheral interactions, UI conformity, security requirements, privacy requirements, etc., not to mention verification that all of the requirements were met, a free-for-all playground for app execution would have been disastrous. Even open source platforms need central control, management, and oversight to avoid turning into a dung heap.

    Apple turned what was previously a mountain to climb for developers into a short staircase with only a few steps. Getting up those few steps was made much easier with the development resources, toolkits, reference material, cool new languages, test frameworks, and a community of developers encouraged and helped along by Apple's massive investments in infrastructure and developer support. 

    The real question here is what went wrong? At some point everything that Apple invested to make the system work so well and in a mutually beneficial way became the target of scrutiny, not by the majority of developers who were benefitting from Apple's investments, but by a few well-connected rich pissants who held sway over politicians and regulators who weren't happy to see the winning team being anyone other than their own homeboys. Through some feat of persuasion and self-interest these folks who came out on the losing side of the competition decided to change the rules of the competition. To do it they stripped whatever ownership Apple had over its own creations and property away from Apple and effectively put it into what they now firmly believed to be a public utility that should serve the needs of everyone, even those who lost the fight for superiority. Those who lost are now being rewarded for their ineptitude and failure to perform by obtaining control over Apple's work through political, legal, and economic means. The takeaway from all of this is that success no longer matters when those in charge can change the rules to suit their own needs and desires. Win, but don't win too much or they'll be coming for you next.
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  • Reply 17 of 17
    socalreysocalrey Posts: 20member

    This feels a lot like a business that strikes it rich in California, then relocates to avoid state taxes, refusing to pay for the infrastructure and systems that enabled its success. When something supports your rise, it’s only right to support it in return. Is Apple and the App Store really so different?



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