ilarynx

This article helps to explain the small pockets of minions supporting the chaotic tariffs:

The strange link between Trump’s tariffs and incel ideology

Meet the lonely men who think the tariffs will get them girlfriends.

http://apple.news/AjEvNnQFnTpKbDNMkKkowsA

Trump tariff strategy as explained by Mike Luckovich - 

http://www.ajc.com/opinion/0411-mike-luckovich-big-boy/2ZRQGX6IERBMTFF5FSBI6A4AXA/

9secondkox2 said:

Time to push China tariffs to 225%. 

China lives and breathes the US dollar. 

The US is addicted to Chinese imports. 

But America can just as easily wait out some production relocation or shift habits. 

China won’t be recovering thst money. 

Apple is already reallocating the weight of production. It will take a bit. But it will be done. It’s just too bad that there aren’t more truly free nations to move it to. 

The only way the USA wins this is to keep its foot in the gas and not give in to bullies. We’ve been pushed around and robbed long enough. As O’Leary said:enough is enough.” Time to get back. 

From the camp that promised "Lower prices from Day 1". Lie # 57,291. 

WHO has ever shown evidence that trade wars are a good thing economically? Economics, logic, and history show to the contrary. 

>>>Tariffs driving up consumer prices is as sure a thing as rain making you wet. But it’s worth pointing to the evidence as it comes in, because unlike rain’s wetness, the “emperor sure does have clothes” MAGA contingent is trying to argue that tariffs don’t have this obvious effect.

 - http://daringfireball.net/linked/2025/04/11/anker-raising-prices

foregoneconclusion said:

ilarynx said:

foregoneconclusion said:

The governor of California is going to call Trump’s bluff by ignoring the federal tariff and negotiate directly with other countries on tariffs. Seems like a decent strategy considering that the Trump tariffs are entirely dependent on the claim that the national debt has created a national emergency that gives the president the power to levy tariffs. In other words, the White House is likely violating the law and California is going to respond in kind.

Not an option, according to the Constitution. 

Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution explicitly says, “The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, … but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.”

I strongly recommend reading the U.S. Constitution. Frequently. You can't preserve, protect, or defend, something you don't know. 

http://www.archives.gov/founding-docs

LOL...are you aware of the infamous Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act? That was a bill that passed Congress and was signed by Hoover. Notice that it's CONGRESS that is levying the tariffs and not Herbert Hoover. Which means Trump doesn't have the power to levy tariffs under the Constitution either. The current administration is trying to claim that the national debt has created a national emergency that gives him the power to do it himself. But that is obvious b.s. considering Trump wants to make the $2 trillion tax cut from 2017 permanent + add trillions more in new tax cuts. All of that will explode the national debt to new heights. 

Basically CA is saying "if you're going to pretend to have the authority to negotiate tariffs by yourself then we're going to pretend that we can do that as well". 

First, "infamous" Smoot-Hawley tariff?

Second, everything I posted was accurate. No governor can negotiate with other countries on tariffs as per the Constitution. The Executive branch cannot implement the tariffs (as you noted), but it can enforce the laws/tariffs passed by Congress and approved by the Executive branch. 

The current administration is trying to claim that the national debt has created a national emergency that gives him the power to do it himself. But that is obvious b.s.

True. 

Basically CA is saying "if you're going to pretend to have the authority to negotiate tariffs by yourself then we're going to pretend that we can do that as well". 

Well, that "two wrongs make it right and/or ok" approach is a bad and dangerous approach with respect to the Constitution. Also, the current regime has declared an emergency as per:
 
International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977. The act allows the president to declare an emergency under the National Emergency Act (NEA) and then use his extensive economic powers to regulate or prohibit imports. The CRS says that President Trump was the first chief executive to use this act in February 2025, when he announced tariffs on Canada, China, and Mexico. The emergency stated by the president can be terminated at this request, or by a joint resolution of Congress.
 - http://constitutioncenter.org/blog/how-congress-delegates-its-tariff-powers-to-the-president

Improperly or not (it IS improper, objectively), Congress has the power to rescind the declaration. The current Republican controlled congress won't do that though. They've found a gap in the checks-and-balances between the 3 branches our Founders created, and are exploiting that to intentionally cause harm to the nation. Vlad couldn't be happier. 

Mike Wuerthele said:

blastdoor said:

Wesley Hilliard said:

sflocal said:

Sounds like a great time for Apple to do a massive stock buyback.

Mods... get rid of these political BS comments.  If I want that, I'll go to CNN or Fox News.  

Oddly enough we haven't had to delete that much. As if millions of voices cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

I appreciate the greater tolerance for comments being shown at this site relative to the past. Or at least it seems more tolerant to me, anyway -- maybe I'm wrong. 

These are unprecedented times and the idea that we should all restrict ourselves to commenting on technology, even though I obviously understand this is a technology-oriented site and the site owners can clearly moderate as they see fit, just seems tone deaf to me. 

In times of yore, there was the political forum. That was infested by bad actors and worse behavior. We then banned comments of a political nature as things sorted themselves out. Google associated that shitty behavior with the site as a whole, so it got closed down.

The interpersonal behavior has been better over the last few years, so the conversations get to swing wider.

We are always watching, though.

Thank you. 

Also see: http://www.techdirt.com/2025/03/04/why-techdirt-is-now-a-democracy-blog-whether-we-like-it-or-not/